Super quick response!
The Komar sounds like the right solution moving forward but it will require some mechanical and electrical mods to the drone. Do you have stock ready to ship? If there is a way to get the Myxa A2 to operate close to 1500W safely so we can get the first flights under our belt until we get the ESC replacements that would be a good intermediate step - even if it means we ‘void’ the A2 warranty.
Looking forward to your suggestions.
Sure. No guarantees but the modification I mentioned might help here. Do contact Dmitry for that via email I left above, please. He is aware of your case.
Yes. If you’re in EEA, we can probably ship today.
Hi Pavel,
I have now received the Komar and I have just started to test it on RCBenchmark. Managed to reach about 1040W before the ‘CSSW Saturation’ light comes on. Still running on 22.2V (for battery min voltage reasons) and have about 120A available on my power supply.
Here are my current settings. Any idea how to remove this limitation? As reminder the motor needs to reach approximately 1950W at max rpm (close to 7500).
CSSW means that you’ve exhausted the available voltage, so the controller is unable to increase the current further. There are three solutions:
The latter option allows you to get going without changing your hardware configuration but it is tricky to set up and is largely experimental. It also comes with some energy penalty since some of the power supplied to the motor will be used to suppress the magnetic flux of its permanent magnets.
At 22.2V and using the T-Motor Flame 80A I managed to get about 1250W of electrical power.
Even with field weakening enabled the Komar ‘saturates’ at 1040W…
More worryingly Kucher now freezes when I’m close to max throttle which means I can’t stop the motor unless I pull out the power cord!
Additionally, I enabled the pwm control to see if I can run through RCBenchmark and I get no response when I try to run it there. I have restarted Komar a few times.
Please advice.
Switching the field weakening flag is not enough to get it to work. I strongly advice you to return that option back to its default value to prevent damage to your hardware because keeping it on without proper tuning is highly dangerous.
Pulling the power cord is not necessary to stop the motor. If you are experiencing issues with software, disconnecting the interface cable (USB/UART) is an easier way to stop the motor.
USB is known to misbehave at high power levels especially if the cable is long and unshielded. Try using better/shorter cable, or use UART (it may not be directly accessible with your Komar though).
Did you follow these instructions under section “RCPWM”? Quick start guide for Myxa - #3 by pavel-kirienko
OK, will do.
OK, good to know.
Yes, it previously worked for Myxa A2 but not Komar
Please note that RCPWM interface won’t work if you have connected USB and run Kucher or if you enable the UAVCAN interface and send the setpoint via CAN.
I will try this today.
On this subject, how can I get the Komar to produce a higher power output? What other settings can I change? The phase current never went above 65A. This can’t be the limit of the ESC (even at 22.2V).
Please advise in which mode do you run Komar: RPM control or voltage control mode? In the RPM control mode, besides the battery voltage, the maximum electrical speed is limited by m.max_eangvel.
If I got you right, the Overload counter is not increasing in your case. It means that it’s not the hardware limit.
If all of the above is fulfilled, the next step to increase the motor speed is to set field weakening mode as it described in the post.
It is RPM control.
I have increased this to the max. of 20000 (I believe) but didn’t see much change.
Agreed.
I will look at this today and come back to you.
Another question:
Here you have 2pi:
but here you show just pi.
I’m guessing one of these is a mistake?
Tried what you suggested but no improvement to the power limit - CSSW becomes saturated at about 1000W.
I also tried running the RCBenchmark with USB disconnected (from the Komar) but, again, couldn’t get any response with PWM control.
Here is the list of parameters so far. Please advice.Komar MN5212 Config.yml (2.2 KB)
This is the correct formula. Just pi because P is the number of poles. If there were a number of pole pairs, then there should be 2pi. Corrected. Thanks.
Could you show the Kucher window when it’s saturated?
Hi Dmitry,
I will run a test shortly and send you a screenshot as requested. In the meantime can you please share a .step file of the bullet connector 3D-printed holder?
Additionally, do you have any more ideas why the ESC would not run in PWM mode?
Hi Dmitry,
I recorded a video instead. See attached. Waiting for your inputs. https://forum.zubax.com/uploads/default/original/1X/58b5b35ad23acf1a8418162070739758aeef8a22.mp4
Hi George,
Try to increase the hysteresis of the field weakening turn-on speed m.fw_eangvel_hys. Now it set to 100, try 200 or 300. Otherwise, as you can see from the video, the field weakening mode is immediately turned off.
I would also recommend configuring based on more realistic speed and current values. Typically, the field weakening mode is used to increase the motor speed by 5-10% during maneuvers or takeoff. In your case, the maximum electrical angular velocity without field weakening is approximately 8000 rad / sec. The field weakening mode should be switched on at the electrical angular velocity of 7500 rad / s. Therefore, I would recommend to set the maximum electrical angular velocity to 8500-9000 rad/sec. The hardware phase current limit of the Komar is 100 Amps. The m.max_current parameter is preferred to set to this value therefore.The m.max_id_current parameter set to 20% of m.max_current value, i.e. 20 Amps. You can increase it later if the max required speed is not reached.
Hi Dmitry,
Tried your suggested changes but without much change.
Did 3 runs: First with m.fw_eangvel_hys at 200 second with 300.
Third, I increased the m.max_id_current to 30.
Please see attached video containing all 3 runs.
Looking forward to your response.
Regarding this message, can you please share the geometry as requested? Can’t find it on github.
I need to swap the bullet connectors from 5mm to 4mm versions so I would need to reprint the parts with a small edit.
